Diversity & Inclusion – See differently

David Clark

The subject of this episode of the Better Boards Podcast Series is ‘Diversity and Inclusion’;. David Clark, from the Royal National Institute of Blind People, spoke with Dr Sabine Dembkowski.

As a blind man, David has faced many different challenges, while at the same time overcoming them
to have an impressive career in banking, as Director of Service of the Royal National Institute of Blind
People, and as a Non-Executive Director on the board of the British Paralympic Association, the St
Albans and District Chamber of Commerce as well as being a member of the FA Council.

Some of the key takeaways of the conversation include:

“It’s only when you feel excluded that you become anxious about getting inclusion right”

Different voices bring a different perspective to the table. David relates his own issues growing up
blind, when as a child he was unable to play sport due to the lack of pathway or access. This
extended to rejection by two universities due to lack of resources to include him, and eventually
being turned down for jobs despite his degree in Politics and Masters in Diplomacy.

There has been much progress recently, for example the pandemic has shown that meetings can be
attended virtually, removing one important barrier to inclusion carers or those with difficulty
travelling. However, there are still many practical issues with inclusion.

“You can have the right attitude but getting it wrong on the operational side can leave you
floundering”

David relates how organisations should be asking whether inclusion is a driver, or if it is simply the
right words to remain on the right side of public opinion. He is quick to emphasise that none of this
is about blame, but it is easy to get it right. Organisations should reach out to affected groups, seek
advice about inclusion, and open up pathways for diverse groups where organisations have
traditionally been less proportionately inclusive. Some members of excluded groups may not have
the necessary skills for example, and organisations could accelerate the process to give them the
skills and experience they need.

It does not matter how many people you have in the boardroom, there will be voices not being
heard in that room

A sufficiently diverse boardroom is a huge asset, and regardless of the type of organisation, David
believes that inclusion should cover those voices that are not currently included in the boardroom.
Boards need to actively consider who is excluded – and how the boardroom could benefit from

hearing those voices. Being beneficial in terms of diversity, this also leads to more informed and well-
rounded decisions and can avoid stereotyping particular groups.

However, there are barriers to inclusion in the boardroom. For only one example, screen reader
technology is not currently compatible with all major board portals.

We often ask “Who is in the boardroom?”, but David Clark asks a very different and powerful
question: “Who is not in the boardroom?”

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